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Title: Blasters ??
Post by: ingels on July 11, 2007, 11:05:15 pm
After finding http://propsummit.com/ (http://propsummit.com/) and browsing thru ebay's Blade Runner stuff I understand that my feelings of wanting a Blade Runner blaster has reached critical levels.

Anyone here on the forum that owns a Blade Runner Blaster or knows more about them ??

propsummit.com seems to be a great starting place otherwise


Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on July 15, 2007, 09:03:35 am
I just thought I would introduce myself and open up any myself for questions. I am one of the Moderators on Propsummit and an owner of a good cross section of the replicas, not to mention I have been researching the history of the replicas and talked to many of their creators. I have my own personal favorites, and I do not feel anyone of them is the 'end all be all'...yet. Each seem to have their pluses and minuses, so I guess it depends on what factors are most important to you such as, Accuracy, Quality, Durability, Functionality and Cost. Other factors to consider are if they are assembled or not.

I am to the point that if an auction of a replica comes up on ebay I can give you a pretty good review, and tell you about any misleading information the seller might be telling (or not telling). Please feel free to ask me any questions. There are a few more qualified than me, but they don't seem to be telling much more than what they already told me :)

Thank you for joining propsummit, and I hope to see you there more often. BTW I plugged your site there just a few days ago.

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: ingels on July 15, 2007, 09:18:21 pm
Link added to propsummit.com on the links page... Recommended to any fan whom want to learn more on Blade Runner props and more
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on May 18, 2008, 09:46:42 pm
Link added to propsummit.com on the links page... Recommended to any fan whom want to learn more on Blade Runner props and more

Propsummit is, IMHO, the best site for props fans, and better for only BR fans!! :D

I have three Blasters now. One of pure resine (unfinished, not paint at all). Was my first one. Other of metal parts and resin, movable parts, LED's, etc. It's a M2019 model bought at ebay for circa $200. I say that to "classify" this model. They are a bunch of them.... Third one, two concept blasters from Rick Ross, an ARTIST in uppercase. A "blaster and snub models, in kit format. I must find time to work with them, but I don't have idea how to begin with... Sanding? Painting? Glueing? Wow, too much for me for now... :D

Rick has a high reputation as kit maker.

Other at Propsummit are Richard Coyle, Siderio, Phil Smith and so on. Some troubles between them for reasons that escape of my knowledge. Anyway, they are prop makers and I love its work!
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: ingels on May 18, 2008, 11:10:19 pm
Propsummit is, IMHO, the best site for props fans, and better for only BR fans!! :D

It sure is, it's also a great way to start if you think about getting a BR prop.. I'll hopefully be an owner of the Off-World Blaster at the end of the month (My first Blaster) and I must say that there are more Blade Runner collectibles then you could imagine. If you dont trust me, check propsummit out

I have three Blasters now. One of pure resine (unfinished, not paint at all). Was my first one. Other of metal parts and resin, movable parts, LED's, etc. It's a M2019 model bought at ebay for circa $200. I say that to "classify" this model. They are a bunch of them.... Third one, two concept blasters from Rick Ross, an ARTIST in uppercase. A "blaster and snub models, in kit format. I must find time to work with them, but I don't have idea how to begin with... Sanding? Painting? Glueing? Wow, too much for me for now... :D

I must ask, is there some kind of dictionary online for all the terms that you'll hear when it comes to collecting blasters (guns) hobby. I have no idea about what "snub" means and I think (or hope) that there could be some place where one could learn about the terms and what's what. When it comes to blasters there's a whole lot of terms atleast I don't really know what they mean
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on May 19, 2008, 01:33:44 am
I must ask, is there some kind of dictionary online for all the terms that you'll hear when it comes to collecting blasters (guns) hobby. I have no idea about what "snub" means and I think (or hope) that there could be some place where one could learn about the terms and what's what. When it comes to blasters there's a whole lot of terms atleast I don't really know what they mean

Unfortunately, I think there is not a "dictionary" for these terms. Will be very useful, I must agree. Perhaps a glossary of terms could be included in my Fan Book project!!!

Well, a "snub" its a little or shortened version of original Hero Blaster. Its a "backup" model. I think is due to Rick Ross. You can find all the info about Rick works here:
http://www.pflagerkatsumata.com/

A pic, only as reference (I have not permission from Rick, but I think it will be Ok to show it here):
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: bassnoir on January 10, 2009, 01:48:15 am
having recently taken possession of an Offworld M2019 "Hero" version...(number 127 of 130 according to Offworld and the stamped number on the butt plate on my Blaster)...which I believe is simply the first version "paint job"....of their product...I did notice a week after purchase a newly painted (looks more like the movie version) Offworld M2019 for sale on E-Bay for 75 bucks LESS than I paid for the "Hero".....live and learn.....to be honest I prefer the look of mine versus the newer version...I understand a lot of people who have the Offworld blaster have taken it apart and repainted it themselves....proving there is no accounting for taste....the good news is that I have just found and purchased a Hartford M2019 (second or third version I believe) and am looking forward to taking possession of it....very anxious to compare the two (Offworld-Hartford)....also discovered on line and purchased a remarkable blaster "holster" that Phil S. assured me would fit most if not all the versions of blasters that are currently available.....NOW I am on a quest to find a "Coyle" blaster....any help in where to look or who to talk to would be appreciated....and if anyone can ballpark me the versions and price/value/cost of "Coyle" blasters I would much appreciate it.....also interested in display options (commercially available)....to all those who have helped me get to this point thank you....Andy...Phil...Tom...you all know who you are.....smiling.....
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on January 10, 2009, 09:18:24 pm
In the blasters topic they are a lot of talk, models, and perhaps too many flames too!!!

Well. Here are my own little collection:

The Leon COP 357 gun. Used also in Matrix Reloaded. Persephone scene killing their mates.
They are several versions. I have only the silver one (screen accurate, I think), and black one. The third is a resin block. Weird... but cheap!

(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_COP_01x640.jpg)

(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_COP_02x640.jpg)

(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_COP_03x640.jpg)

The Hero blaster. Deckard one...

The boxes...
(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_Hero_01x640.jpg)

Rick Ross variations. First, the snub blaster. A good idea. Unpainted, unassembled.
(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_Hero_02x640.jpg)

Rick Ross PKD Katsumata, or their own Hero blaster version. Excellent one too. Unpainted, unassembled.
(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_Hero_03x640.jpg)

The Blasters. One resin block, one Offworld, one Hartford:
(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_Hero_04x640.jpg)

(http://www.mybladerunner.com/files/Blasters_Hero_05x640.jpg)

Resin ones are often cheap, but you must work with them.
Rick Ross ones are excellent. Well done, almost right to fit without sanding at all.
Offworld 2019 RBU Special Issue is half metal, half plastic. Well done, some loose parts, but reasonable price. Circa $200-$250.
Hartford M2019. Heavy as all the metal used. Only plastic in the grips and circuit cartridge. Bullets optional (but very nice!!!!). Not so cheap pals... $600 at least...

The Siderio and Coyle models seems to be better.... (ż?). Well, VERY EXPENSIVE ones.... yeah.
And the last appeared, the Tomenosuke one, made in Japan (like Hardtford) is the very expensive one for now.... Unassembled, more than $600. Assembled, more than $1000 !!!

Then... auctions... I've seen things you cannot believe... Prices rising till $1500 and more!!!

Holsters... Yeah, Phil's ones are well done and a nice piece, but I think are some pricely... Will wait for now. I don't need a holster to carry this pieces in the street!!! :D




Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on February 04, 2009, 06:43:13 am
I have started working on a Glossary of Blade Runner Blaster Terms and it is a more work than I thought it would be. I realize it has to be done because many terms are misused, and many terms I think are common will confuse most people. I hope to make it a permanent part of propsummit soon.

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on February 04, 2009, 04:17:28 pm
I have started working on a Glossary of Blade Runner Blaster Terms and it is a more work than I thought it would be. I realize it has to be done because many terms are misused, and many terms I think are common will confuse most people. I hope to make it a permanent part of propsummit soon.

Andy

This will be a very useful guide for all of us Andy! Also, a great addition to the Book project! For all means!
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on February 05, 2009, 08:53:50 am
It is time to move past just the timeline, and even though most of the info is in there, I figured something that will be more easily referenced by everybody would be a good Idea. I am also working on a Family Tree/Flow Chart and most importantly an Identification Guide. I only wish I had my old studio and computer equipment and a lot more time to work on it.

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: ingels on February 06, 2009, 02:48:47 am
Yeah, a really good idea.. There are many blasters out there and one can suspect that there are alot of copies (which then will be copied and so on) and some of the lingo is hard for the new people that might get interested in getting themselves a blaster (maybe a little something about what one should think oif when getting a prop gun, what it is and where and how one can find one, like importing one.. I contacted the Swedish post & customs just to be sure before I got my Off-World blaster).

God knows we must sound like martians to outsiders ;)
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on February 06, 2009, 10:34:05 am
I think blasters could be a topic for a book itself... :D

But Andy is too busy to do it, I guess!!! Thus... a first approach could be an extended chapter of a more general book... well, not so general, you know... :)

Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on February 08, 2009, 10:02:24 am
Yup, other things always seem to get in the way. Usually lack of sleep :)

The Glossary should be up by the end of this coming week though.

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on February 09, 2009, 03:41:53 pm
Yup, other things always seem to get in the way. Usually lack of sleep :)

The Glossary should be up by the end of this coming week though.

Andy

Who said Balde Runner is an obsession? :P

Great news Andy!
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on February 16, 2009, 10:12:24 am
First draft of of the glossary premiered here...

BLADE RUNNER GUN REPLICA GLOSSARY and FAQ

Adven: Stands for “Adventure Make”, a Japanese hobby company that made several versions of the Blade Runner gun, including one loosely based on the “OZ Shop” gun and a simple metal “paperweight” version.
B.R.U. Special Issue Model 2019: See “Offworld” and “M2019”.
Blaster: A generic term that refers to mostly to futuristic weaponry. More specifically, guns that have an unknown technology base. Term popularized by the Star Wars movies
Bulldog: The model of the working base gun in the “Hero” prop that was used to allow it to fire blanks and pyrotechnic rounds. The gun was a 44 magnum “Bulldog” made by “Charter Arms”. It is also infamously the gun used by the ‘Son of Sam’ serial killer.
C&S: Stands for ‘Coyle & Steinsneider’. Richard Coyle and Phil Steinsneider, the team that researched and produced the first functional gun replica cast from real gun parts as opposed to being cast from  second hand “Stunt” castings or created from scratch. Also called “Coyle”, “RAC Props”, “2019 Detective Special: Model CS”, and “CS&T”.
Charter Arms: The company that made the firing base gun for the “Hero” gun prop. See also “Bulldog”.
Chief’s Special (or Chef’s Special): This is a common term for large caliber short nosed revolvers, usually Smith & Wesson models. It was used by the “Hartford” company as part of the name for their “M2019 C.S. Blaster”. Possibly taking off of the name “C&S”, and also the fact that they used a Smith & Wesson 38 special as their gun base. “Hartford” made both a PFC (Plug Fire Cap) version and Airsoft version. On the box they misspelled the “Chief” as “Chef”, so it often goes by that name as well. Also called “Hartford” and “M2019”.
CS&T: Stands for “Coyle, Steinsneider & Tate”. It is the updated version of the “C&S” that was revamped after the appearance of the original “Hero” gun prop at the 2006 “Worldcon” convention, where Karl Tate (and Richard Coyle later) took detailed photos of it. Also called the “Worldcon” version.
Elfin Knights: Is a Japanese hobby company that makes many prop replicas. They also made a “Worldcon” Kit of the gun that was machined and then cast into mostly plastic and some metal. It seemed to be meant as a no glue kit. They also made a simple black “Stunt” version. Another contribution from “Elfin Knights” is the Japanese language Magazine “Blaster 01” Dokuhon that has pictures of many of the Replicas made in Japan the rest of the world, as well as other information helpful to collectors of the guns.
M2019: Refers to at least 4 different versions of the guns replicas.
First it was used as part of the name for the Japanese “Hartford” versions (may still have been a reference to the “2019 Detective Special” by “RAC Props”).
The second, and third versions to use the name are the “Monsters in Motion” (or “MiM”) resin versions. They are a combination of casts from a real “Charter Arms Bulldog” 38 special and the Hartford grips and their version of the “Steyr” clip and receiver. They did both a complex kit with all the gun parts cast, and a simple kit with fewer parts and no trigger, hammer, and cylinder function. It was sold primarily through “Monsters in Motion”.
The fourth third version is the “Offworld Mfg” “B.R.U. Special Issue Model 2019”. A Part die cast and ABS plastic version that seems to be somewhat based after the earlier “MiM” Resin kits. It was not cast from those parts but copied to be tooled for injection molding. Also called just the “Offworld”. 
Marco: Refers to “Marco Enterprises”, a garage kit company that would make and sell replica props from a mail-order photocopied catalogue. They made a version of the gun that was seemingly recast or based off of the earlier Japanese replicas “Oz Shop” or “Adven”. The gun also had a clear rod in the barrel for light effects, and could be ordered with a custom leather holster.
MiM (and “Monsters in Motion”): For those that do not know, “Monsters in Motion” is a website and store that specializes in selling Science Fiction, Horror and Fantasy model kits, garage kits and sculptures as well as other collectable ephemera from around the world. For more info see “M2019” for their gun kits.
Offworld:  Made by the “Offworld Manufacturing Corporation” as a “Built-up” with die cast metal and ABS Plastic to be durable, low cost, and functional. Full name is the “B.R.U. Special Issue Model 2019”. See also “M2019”.
Oz Shop: A Japanese hobby company that may have made the first replica of the gun from scratch.
Pflager Katsumata: See “PKD”
PKD: Stands for “Pflager Katsumata” series D.  The initials where also taken from the author Phillip K. Dick whose book ‘Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep’ was the basis for ‘Blade Runner’.  Rick Ross came up with the name for his series of Blaster Replicas starting with the “PKD-1”. Later versions included the more accurate “PKD-2”, the “PKD Snub”, the “PKD Magnum”, the “PKD-3” and soon to be “PKD Enforcer”. His guns are stylized resin garage kits and had very little function beyond working LED lights and moving trigger.
 The term “PKD” for the gun replicas has also become most used generic term for all the replica versions of Deckard’s gun.
SidKit: Was a garage kit company in Italy that made many Science Fiction and other models and replica props. They made an early version of mostly resin with some metal parts that seemed to be cast from an RAC Props version 3 gun. They later made a full metal version of the gun in pewter, and more recently another metal version that more closely followed the “Worldcon Hero” photos.
SL-DAPAS: Stands for “Sensor Loading Duplex Action Police Assault Sidearm”. Named by Craig Kovach for his two full reconstructions of Deckard’s gun out of authentic gun parts. Both fully functional working firearms.
Snub: Many of the replicas also were made in a snub or short barreled version. “Snub” versions were made by Rick Ross with one of his “PKD” versions, as did “Hartford”, and “Sci-Fi Models”.
Steyr: Steyr is an Austrian weapons manufacturer that made the .222 sniper Rifle that was cut down and used for several parts on the “hero” prop, including the upper receiver, the clip housing and clip. On the side of the “Hero” gun and most of the replicas is the writing “STEYR-DAIMLER-PUCH A.G. STEYR MANNLICHER MOD SL.”
Stunt: Several rubber casts of the “Hero” weapon were made during production as stand in guns for action scenes in the movie (see where gun is pulled through wall by Roy Batty), and as holstered weapons carried by the police including Bryant and Gaff. Most of them were just single piece casts of rubber, but a few also had grips painted or replaced by resin grips. Many of the first versions of the gun available as resin casts were second hand casting made from the “stunt” castings made for the film.
The term “Stunt” will also refer to simpler versions of the replicas that would have little to know working parts. RAC Props made a “stunt” version, as did “Elfin-Knights” in Japan.
Tomenosuke Blaster: Refers to a “Worldcon” version of the gun made in Japan, by reverse engineering the photos made by Karl Tate as well as an original “Stunt” casting. It would then be machined and cast into metal and plastic.
Worldcon:  The Science Fiction convention where the “Hero” prop was displayed by owner Jeff Walker and then photographed in great detail by Karl Tate. It answered a great multitude of questions prop-makers were having about the gun and also posed a few more. Many prop-makers began to follow the new examples and call the new versions “Worldcon” versions. Models painted and detailed to match the photographs will often be called “Worldcon Accurized”.

Let me know what you guys think? It still needs a lot of work, but my eyes are blurry as is my brain right now.

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: ingels on February 16, 2009, 04:49:27 pm
Wow, You've done TWO mens job with this. I think I will make your post a sticky out of your post

There are many more blasters out there than I knew, pictures of each of the models in the glossary would be sweet to add also.. I never knew that Son Of Sam had some sort of relations with Blade Runner but now I know  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on February 16, 2009, 05:29:11 pm
Impressive Andy! I will study your glossary and compare details with my own very little blaster collection... :D
And... with your permission, will (try) to translate all these terms to Spanish, trying to understand them better! I'm not a weapon expert neither a hobbist in this field... only rep-detect one! :D

Nice, very nice...
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on February 16, 2009, 06:39:52 pm
I have already added a few more items, and will add more as it comes to me. There are also many more gun replicas that I have only seen once and have no information on at all that are not here. I was focusing on the more common and significant terms that would come up in conversation at the prop boards. Also don't forget the Timeline I made a while back...
http://propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=132&start=0

The Identification guide is my long term project and I am hoping to post it bit by bit on propsummit or possibly a blog. I need to get better photographs of all the replicas, and permission to use the ones I do have. I am also working on a Family tree.

Andy

Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on February 18, 2009, 10:42:52 am
Wow Andy. A blog devoted to the blasters topic could be terrific!!!!! I agree!!!!
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on February 19, 2009, 05:23:33 am
If I did a blog it would be on the "Blade Runner Style". Maybe even Blade Runner as a lifestyle. I know sounds crazy, but I do know musicians and artists that would agree with the idea. I don't know much about blogging but I am looking into it. I do like the interactive quality of the forums, but blogs seem to be a more popular format for people to research stuff. Plus you could potentially make money with them. It is still only an Idea though.

BTW I updated the "Glossary" on propsummit with a lot more stuff. I can copy and paste my changes over here if you guys want.

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on February 19, 2009, 02:22:34 pm
If I did a blog it would be on the "Blade Runner Style". Maybe even Blade Runner as a lifestyle. I know sounds crazy, but I do know musicians and artists that would agree with the idea. I don't know much about blogging but I am looking into it. I do like the interactive quality of the forums, but blogs seem to be a more popular format for people to research stuff. Plus you could potentially make money with them. It is still only an Idea though.

BTW I updated the "Glossary" on propsummit with a lot more stuff. I can copy and paste my changes over here if you guys want.

Andy

Blog is better than forum when you wanna have all the control. Do you hate trolls? No matter, lock registration options. Do you hate comments? Block them! And so on... It's a better choice to control trolling.

In the other side, is less sharing... but I agree to use it to show info, get some comments (moderated!!!!) and go on... My own site is a Wordpress blog, in my own domain and hosting, and I'm very happy with. Forum was an idea, but too many forums yet... :D

If you need some assitance to build a blog, I could help you.

Your comments about musicans and so on... of course, a blog devoted to any part of Blade Runner must have a Blade Runner style, for all means! :D

From design.... to sound!!!!

Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: andy7 on March 03, 2009, 12:25:41 am
Joan, If I do a blog I am sure I would love to have your help. i would even be willing to let you post in it as a co-blogger possibly. I do wish you lived where I could call you on the phone cheaply :)

Andy
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: jfuste on May 03, 2009, 10:00:04 am
Joan, If I do a blog I am sure I would love to have your help. i would even be willing to let you post in it as a co-blogger possibly. I do wish you lived where I could call you on the phone cheaply :)

Andy

hehe.... Glad to know that Andy!!!! The last part is the worse... Living in Spain, the only way to make cheap LD calls is Skype or MSN... Anyway, my talked English is terrible... :P
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: racprops on October 27, 2009, 04:47:52 pm
Hello,

I thought I would drop in and let all know I am here and will gladly answer any questions about my models the CS&T Blaster I can. (other questions as well)

Also as a background you may wish to check out my site www.racprops.com and specially the many articles about Blade Runner.

Richard Coyle AKA racprops AKA Coyle.....




Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: racprops on March 31, 2013, 06:06:11 pm
Just dropped in to say I am still around..barely...

Still willing to answer questions.

Rich
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: hiab-x on December 31, 2013, 10:01:50 am
Hi all, this seemed like a good place to start my first post. I've been a fan of Blade Runner nearly all of my life and make no bones about it being my favourite movie of all time. Every now and then I get the urge to buy a replica of the famous PK Blaster, I usually behave and that's why I haven't shelled out lots of cash getting one. I know this is foolish.

I'd definitely like to buck the trend in 2014 and scratch that itch, the only concern I have at the moment is not feeling particularly clear on whether I'm going to throw my cash away when I buy one due to some depressing looking UK law regarding the sale and acquisition of anything resembling a replica firearm.Does anyone here know whether it's an item destined to be snatched by UK customs? I'd be initially looking to buy a pre-assembled resin and metal version. Failing that, If it gets me over the hurdle of confiscation,  a kit version, but If that's the case, I'd like to buy a kit that makes a faithfully accurate model with regards to things like scale, amber handles, working led lights, etc.

Any useful info towards the best solution would be greatly appreciated. Tnanks.
Title: Re: Blasters ??
Post by: ingels on January 05, 2014, 07:18:34 pm
EBay is an easy solution but also one that will cost a bit too much if you ask me (I think that the Blasters are the most popular BR item and it might be why they are a bit over priced if you asked me, at least on ebay). I'd wait for Propsummit.com to come back, it's heaven (better than heaven) for any BR fan
Title: Re: Blasters ??
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Title: Re: Blasters ??
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